tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6110501988676544027.post2078008104581747230..comments2024-03-18T04:21:49.165-04:00Comments on Phat Lewts' Gold Blog: Guild ScamsPhat Lewtshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13283348281162957528noreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6110501988676544027.post-31581722981981110532013-10-29T22:58:03.763-04:002013-10-29T22:58:03.763-04:00So he was the only officer in the guild? Did you t...So he was the only officer in the guild? Did you try contacting other guild members/officers to get him kicked out?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6110501988676544027.post-68278644587087901322013-10-28T00:38:01.860-04:002013-10-28T00:38:01.860-04:00Actually, this comes under the scam policy and he ...Actually, this comes under the scam policy and he is breaking ToS, he should be banned, it happened to my cousin in a key for gold buying and got restored, while the other party was never seen again. But yes, it mostly depends on the mood of the gm in turn.. i knew another scammer that did something similar and after being reported several times by lot of people, includin my whole guild, he kept doing it. Eventually he disapeared, i think it was a discarded account as he would add you through real id so you could see "he was legit", don't think he got banned.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6110501988676544027.post-61327832887928832092013-10-25T14:08:45.781-04:002013-10-25T14:08:45.781-04:00"Screw it, I can take the loss" I think ..."Screw it, I can take the loss" I think is the most dangerous of all things for those of us who are gold capped/in the position of being sufficiently wealthy to engage in risky behaviours like this.<br />Having learnt my own lesson painfully I've learnt when I think those words - avoid it.<br />(I had a tearful story, in our guild vent of an unwanted/unloved gift of the store mounts for sale purchasing which placed me in breach of the TOU unknowingly -- ironically as the buyer you fill the " gold seller" role in the equation; he wanted the gold for raiding gear so he could get on the roster.... I ended up both without cash and without mounts after he sought a refund on his credit card..)<br /><br />I completely agree with phat that there should be some better increasing "ban" for repeat offenders as for weeks and months afterwards - still on occasion now, I see the same seller repeating the same trick in trade, or hear of him doing the same thing in another guild. It is not in blizards interest to be ban heavy as these players are active and often long term subscribers to the service. Unlike real life where the protection of the community provides gains to the service provider, events such as these are unlikely to make those who can afford to "screw it" leave the game. Unhappy, yes. Leave? ... unlikely - we invest too much time and effort in our gambling or addiction to the money making schemes.<br />Just my 2 copper...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6110501988676544027.post-85940744376165492672013-10-24T07:22:35.467-04:002013-10-24T07:22:35.467-04:00These transactions happen all the time in the real...These transactions happen all the time in the real world, through Craigslist and other online buying/selling sites. If someone pays money and does not get the merchandise, then there is a legal matter that has penalties. That's not because the buyer was "stupid" but because the seller was deceptive and dishonest.<br /><br />If its a crime in the real world, and worthy of the time and attention of the police, then I think its deserving of similar attention in Azeroth.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6110501988676544027.post-52433468521495086292013-10-23T17:32:50.677-04:002013-10-23T17:32:50.677-04:00So this guy should be able to continue doing this ...So this guy should be able to continue doing this until he's gold capped?Phat Lewtshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13283348281162957528noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6110501988676544027.post-14162368089740005942013-10-23T16:55:34.132-04:002013-10-23T16:55:34.132-04:00Why should Blizzard do anything about it? Like yo...Why should Blizzard do anything about it? Like you pointed out, you knew the risks. They have better things to do than cover for someone's stupidity.Snowcresthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06825194042683297773noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6110501988676544027.post-77248135734343445102013-10-23T15:16:21.535-04:002013-10-23T15:16:21.535-04:00I bought an active level 25 guild but didn't p...I bought an active level 25 guild but didn't pay until I was the GM. There is nothing ethically, socially, or game wrong with buying/selling a guild. This kind of thing happens in real life... why not in game? You should only join a guild you trust. If they sell it out from under you to a 3rd party, then obviously you shouldn't have trusted them. Don't blame the guy who bought it. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6110501988676544027.post-30417970714172135342013-10-23T15:02:34.820-04:002013-10-23T15:02:34.820-04:00I think he was more implying you engage in a fake ...I think he was more implying you engage in a fake purchase agreement, join the guild, and try to retaliate (ruin him/the guild somehow) without ending up banned yourself for your behavior (for your revenge).<br /><br />But, I can't imagine they'd be stupid enough to give you TOO high of privileges during your visit, so I'm not sure realistically what you could do.<br /><br />Not that I am advocating revenge.Georgehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13498897845413427231noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6110501988676544027.post-64271107513538480602013-10-23T14:27:14.560-04:002013-10-23T14:27:14.560-04:00There's nothing bannable on my end, that's...There's nothing bannable on my end, that's not what "unsupported transaction" means in this context. Added clarification to the post on that matter. I could do it again although I think the sympathy from the GMs would be far less this time around! Phat Lewtshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13283348281162957528noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6110501988676544027.post-44899385686154711642013-10-23T14:15:52.230-04:002013-10-23T14:15:52.230-04:00I'd be tempted to offer to buy the guild again...I'd be tempted to offer to buy the guild again and get retribution somehow. How you could do that without risking a ban yourself though is the big question.Evlyxxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12585191601697235555noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6110501988676544027.post-22631831666394958712013-10-23T14:03:07.960-04:002013-10-23T14:03:07.960-04:00while it may be a "viable option" I coul...while it may be a "viable option" I couldn't bring my self to try it since my morale compass doesn't point to evil.. just because you can get away with something, doesn't mean you should. Sad that this is what people are willing to do to sell their souls..iPostyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10885177036934974455noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6110501988676544027.post-91403848641606920042013-10-23T14:01:06.683-04:002013-10-23T14:01:06.683-04:00Thanks for an interesting story. It is sad to see...Thanks for an interesting story. It is sad to see that Blizzard doesn't put this type of activity high on their priority list. A lot of scammers are out there from all sorts of areas just trying to make people's lives in-game miserable. *shakes head*<br /><br />In the end, I wish there could be some type of neutral reporting system, like a citizens' arrest deal, where someone could be granted authority to remove people like this immediately. Imagine the amount of cases people get?<br /><br />I was in a dungeon run last night and one of the tanks reported another because they needed on the gear that he wanted. I was like,, wtf? HUH? Why am I reading this from babies....can't we just finish this dungeon and move on? These guys went back and forth like a bunch of school age kids. Very strange.<br /><br />I'm glad you got your gold back and saw a little justice...but I'm with you bro....<br /><br />To all those who get involved in this type of transaction...tread lightly and cautiously!<br /><br />Be well,<br /><br />Profitz (Ray)Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01343789854334143728noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6110501988676544027.post-3412654683942948312013-10-23T13:52:00.731-04:002013-10-23T13:52:00.731-04:00Unsupported transactions --- not much you can real...Unsupported transactions --- not much you can really do, and in your case, I think you're quite fortunate to have found a sympathetic GM. As you pointed out, you should've never given him the entire sum up front, but even so he still could've just settled with 25k of your gold. <br /><br />"Sounds like pretty good deal to me." <br /><br />Yeah, if you don't give a s$%t about how your actions affect other human beings. While the player who scammed you is completely in the wrong, a con artist is only a con artist so long as he/she can find a target to unleash their scheme upon. Unsupported transactions, whether gold for game time, store mounts, or guilds, will never be safe and there's no real way to change that. <br /><br />As far as clogging up the CS system, you need a willing, albeit scammed buyer for that, too --- so it goes both ways. Personally, I wouldn't engage in unsupported transactions unless the seller is someone you know and trust. onetwohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00714492925381422700noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6110501988676544027.post-12789564773503505262013-10-23T13:49:21.025-04:002013-10-23T13:49:21.025-04:00This infuriates me. Getting action taken against ...This infuriates me. Getting action taken against scammers and gold sellers, even with 100% ironclad evidence in hand, is nearly impossible. This needs to get more attention. Aprilhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01802929807531446413noreply@blogger.com